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		<title>By: Misrepresented By Webmail</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-100258</link>
		<dc:creator>Misrepresented By Webmail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 13:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, 

We also had a problem with misrepresentations where by the Sales Director signed off on an insertion order for CEOs and Owners of businesses and we received students and unemployed people looking for jobs.

With further investigation at the time, which was around 2009 scheduled for monthly campaigns per month for roughly 100k rand. The first shot was a disasted and it was found out they can&#039;t even breakdown the emails into the categories they were selling them on. They never provided us with the tracking staff, and botched the entire thing.
The same outcome, they have been forcing payment by way of threatening court proceedings. It was pressure sales, lies, misrepresentations, and complete waste of time. I would never ever recommend Webmail. It was spam, it was untargetted, it wasn&#039;t what we bought, and we never got what we wanted. This isn&#039;t about venting, it trully is about sociopath management styles. I think this blog has brought up some important views, and within our rights, a consumer board should be developed around this. How about using the www.ripoffreport.com? It never comes down from there. Also, trully hold them to paying our money back, class action suit? Is there such a thing here. How many people who have been ripped off by these people can we pool together to go after them as one consumer body against their blatent lies and misrepresentations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, </p>
<p>We also had a problem with misrepresentations where by the Sales Director signed off on an insertion order for CEOs and Owners of businesses and we received students and unemployed people looking for jobs.</p>
<p>With further investigation at the time, which was around 2009 scheduled for monthly campaigns per month for roughly 100k rand. The first shot was a disasted and it was found out they can&#8217;t even breakdown the emails into the categories they were selling them on. They never provided us with the tracking staff, and botched the entire thing.<br />
The same outcome, they have been forcing payment by way of threatening court proceedings. It was pressure sales, lies, misrepresentations, and complete waste of time. I would never ever recommend Webmail. It was spam, it was untargetted, it wasn&#8217;t what we bought, and we never got what we wanted. This isn&#8217;t about venting, it trully is about sociopath management styles. I think this blog has brought up some important views, and within our rights, a consumer board should be developed around this. How about using the <a href="http://www.ripoffreport.com?" rel="nofollow">http://www.ripoffreport.com?</a> It never comes down from there. Also, trully hold them to paying our money back, class action suit? Is there such a thing here. How many people who have been ripped off by these people can we pool together to go after them as one consumer body against their blatent lies and misrepresentations.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrizia Mariani</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-69944</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrizia Mariani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately everybody only gets to find these complaints online once they&#039;ve signed the contract (all bushy-tailed and bright-eyed) and then very soon discovered that they&#039;re dealing with an incompetent and dishonest company.  Our only error is to believe what the sales people tell you and hand over our hard-earned money for a minimum of 6 months to unscrupulous people. 

The new Consumer Protection Act must surely provide some recourse against these people.  Is anybody actually following up on their complaints or do they let it slide once the initial anger has passed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately everybody only gets to find these complaints online once they&#8217;ve signed the contract (all bushy-tailed and bright-eyed) and then very soon discovered that they&#8217;re dealing with an incompetent and dishonest company.  Our only error is to believe what the sales people tell you and hand over our hard-earned money for a minimum of 6 months to unscrupulous people. </p>
<p>The new Consumer Protection Act must surely provide some recourse against these people.  Is anybody actually following up on their complaints or do they let it slide once the initial anger has passed?</p>
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		<title>By: Reg Scheepers</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-67179</link>
		<dc:creator>Reg Scheepers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My company, Brothers in Beat was approached by Webmail to advertise with them. They offered to send 30 000 emails to their list. At the meeting Webmail employee Gary Cahoon showed me an excel sheet of responses to a previous email campaign that they sent for a company in the same industry as mine (team building). This excel sheet had many responses, I would estimate around 100 responses. It was based on this that I enterted into an agreement with Webmail Int.

I received TWO (2) responses.

When I cancelled the agreement they let me know that I’m still liable for 75% of the total. They are basically asking me to pay them R25 000 for two responses to an email mailer sent to 30 000 people (This terrible response rate demonstrates that Webmail is selling a poor quality product, since the same material sent by Webmail was also sent by our regular email marketing company, Interactive Direct and receives a great response. So it’s not our marketing material that’s at fault here.)

They are now threatening to list my company on the ITC. A quick Google search reveals that there are many, many people who are unhappy and feel cheated by Webmail. 

WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT USE WEBMAIL FOR EITHER THEIR FREE EMAIL SERVICE OR ESPECIALLY NOT FOR MARKETING. JUST DON&#039;T, TRUST ME!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My company, Brothers in Beat was approached by Webmail to advertise with them. They offered to send 30 000 emails to their list. At the meeting Webmail employee Gary Cahoon showed me an excel sheet of responses to a previous email campaign that they sent for a company in the same industry as mine (team building). This excel sheet had many responses, I would estimate around 100 responses. It was based on this that I enterted into an agreement with Webmail Int.</p>
<p>I received TWO (2) responses.</p>
<p>When I cancelled the agreement they let me know that I’m still liable for 75% of the total. They are basically asking me to pay them R25 000 for two responses to an email mailer sent to 30 000 people (This terrible response rate demonstrates that Webmail is selling a poor quality product, since the same material sent by Webmail was also sent by our regular email marketing company, Interactive Direct and receives a great response. So it’s not our marketing material that’s at fault here.)</p>
<p>They are now threatening to list my company on the ITC. A quick Google search reveals that there are many, many people who are unhappy and feel cheated by Webmail. </p>
<p>WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT USE WEBMAIL FOR EITHER THEIR FREE EMAIL SERVICE OR ESPECIALLY NOT FOR MARKETING. JUST DON&#8217;T, TRUST ME!</p>
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		<title>By: Web police</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-56992</link>
		<dc:creator>Web police</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 11:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Were you a victim of Webmail?

We have formed a group called the Webpolice, aimed to help all those that have been victimized by Webmail.

They have bullied stolen, spammed and upset far to many people, 

We are taking a class act against them.
We need your support! We have lawyers (advocates) lined up! We need as many people as possible to log on to our website and to email us their story and  details.

Please help us to help you!

Webmail is going down!
http://webpolice2010.wordpress.com
email: webpolice2010@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Were you a victim of Webmail?</p>
<p>We have formed a group called the Webpolice, aimed to help all those that have been victimized by Webmail.</p>
<p>They have bullied stolen, spammed and upset far to many people, </p>
<p>We are taking a class act against them.<br />
We need your support! We have lawyers (advocates) lined up! We need as many people as possible to log on to our website and to email us their story and  details.</p>
<p>Please help us to help you!</p>
<p>Webmail is going down!<br />
<a href="http://webpolice2010.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://webpolice2010.wordpress.com</a><br />
email: <a href="mailto:webpolice2010@gmail.com">webpolice2010@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: LD</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-56879</link>
		<dc:creator>LD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 05:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are a digital marketing company and have come across numerous businesses who have been locked into ridiculous contracts with Webmail / Interface IT. They seem to be intentionally misinforming clients to trick them into signing these contracts and then implementing totally ineffective marketing solutions at high expense. It seems their business model is not client continuity but rather just an objective to carry on duping as many businesses as they can to sustain their business. These sort of tactics are tarnishing the online marketing industry and creating a huge negative perception for companies that do offer solid ROI online marketing solutions. Something should be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are a digital marketing company and have come across numerous businesses who have been locked into ridiculous contracts with Webmail / Interface IT. They seem to be intentionally misinforming clients to trick them into signing these contracts and then implementing totally ineffective marketing solutions at high expense. It seems their business model is not client continuity but rather just an objective to carry on duping as many businesses as they can to sustain their business. These sort of tactics are tarnishing the online marketing industry and creating a huge negative perception for companies that do offer solid ROI online marketing solutions. Something should be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Reg Scheepers</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-56466</link>
		<dc:creator>Reg Scheepers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason and fellow commenters, I have also been taken for a ride by these guys. I&#039;ll save the details of my story, but why don&#039;t we all contact Cart Blanche. I see there are plenty of comments to this post, and there are certainly plenty of entries on HelloPeter.com. 

If Cart Blanche receives enough submissions from people they WILL investigate.

What do you guys say? Not sure if this will accept links, but in case, here is Cart Blanche&#039;s story submission page:
http://beta.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/StorySubmission.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason and fellow commenters, I have also been taken for a ride by these guys. I&#8217;ll save the details of my story, but why don&#8217;t we all contact Cart Blanche. I see there are plenty of comments to this post, and there are certainly plenty of entries on HelloPeter.com. </p>
<p>If Cart Blanche receives enough submissions from people they WILL investigate.</p>
<p>What do you guys say? Not sure if this will accept links, but in case, here is Cart Blanche&#8217;s story submission page:<br />
<a href="http://beta.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/StorySubmission.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://beta.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/StorySubmission.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Levin</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-54686</link>
		<dc:creator>Levin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was very entertaining to read.  I first dealt with these people back in 2000 when I was working for a Digital Markeitng company.  They were chancers back then and I&#039;m glad to see they are still scamming their way through life.  The people that have Webmail accounts, this should be your first warning never to do business with them. Based on the irrelevant spam you get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was very entertaining to read.  I first dealt with these people back in 2000 when I was working for a Digital Markeitng company.  They were chancers back then and I&#8217;m glad to see they are still scamming their way through life.  The people that have Webmail accounts, this should be your first warning never to do business with them. Based on the irrelevant spam you get.</p>
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		<title>By: Sabata Mereeotlhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sabata Mereeotlhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 15:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These people phoned me too, and sad to say what a waste of time, from the moment I walked into the company in Centurion, I sensed some secrecy about the way things are done, being accompanied by my business partner he was eager to sign away immediately, but before he could say that much, I interuptted the flow by mentioning a 3 nonexistent partner is the one that is the major shareholder and that the 2 of us collectively could not take any stance on his sale. He seemed rather determined to get us to sign instead, I again insisted we are only going to go back to the office to inform the man incharge ... what i suspected was in actual fact correct about this crowd ... they called my partner again and again and again to get him to sign ... whom after the meeting i explained why i rejected the sale and understood .. considering my 10 yrs experience in the internet industry and also with SEO ...while talking to my partner i chose to sit quietly and act as though i dont know what he was talking about ... and he got to relaxed and wrapped up in his lies and empty promises ... and i was sitting there having a field day punching holes in the gag ... as a reader/responder/commentator mentioned above they are too lazy to do simple research ... or perhaps google is blocked on the domain ... &quot;If we catch anyone using Google you will be fired ... &quot; LOL

these guys are honestly a sad case study for what not to do</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These people phoned me too, and sad to say what a waste of time, from the moment I walked into the company in Centurion, I sensed some secrecy about the way things are done, being accompanied by my business partner he was eager to sign away immediately, but before he could say that much, I interuptted the flow by mentioning a 3 nonexistent partner is the one that is the major shareholder and that the 2 of us collectively could not take any stance on his sale. He seemed rather determined to get us to sign instead, I again insisted we are only going to go back to the office to inform the man incharge &#8230; what i suspected was in actual fact correct about this crowd &#8230; they called my partner again and again and again to get him to sign &#8230; whom after the meeting i explained why i rejected the sale and understood .. considering my 10 yrs experience in the internet industry and also with SEO &#8230;while talking to my partner i chose to sit quietly and act as though i dont know what he was talking about &#8230; and he got to relaxed and wrapped up in his lies and empty promises &#8230; and i was sitting there having a field day punching holes in the gag &#8230; as a reader/responder/commentator mentioned above they are too lazy to do simple research &#8230; or perhaps google is blocked on the domain &#8230; &#8220;If we catch anyone using Google you will be fired &#8230; &#8221; LOL</p>
<p>these guys are honestly a sad case study for what not to do</p>
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		<title>By: karen kruger</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-51945</link>
		<dc:creator>karen kruger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Jason. Also the damn justice (ahem - another topic?) system grinds so slowly that hiring a lawyer becomes incredibly expensive. This is EXACTLY what Webmail counts on. Also, the new consumer protection act has come into force and Webmail is in breach of this legislation that they&#039;ll end up being a case study for future law students!  I swear I will show up if you end up in court and will happily be a corroborating victim and testify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Jason. Also the damn justice (ahem &#8211; another topic?) system grinds so slowly that hiring a lawyer becomes incredibly expensive. This is EXACTLY what Webmail counts on. Also, the new consumer protection act has come into force and Webmail is in breach of this legislation that they&#8217;ll end up being a case study for future law students!  I swear I will show up if you end up in court and will happily be a corroborating victim and testify.</p>
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		<title>By: Donn Edwards</title>
		<link>http://www.jasonbagley.com/2009/07/13/webmail-interface-it-scammers/comment-page-2/#comment-51943</link>
		<dc:creator>Donn Edwards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ricky: I have been taken to court because of comments on my blog, and it isn&#039;t much fun. BUT you can win, without ever appearing in court.

1) WAIT for them to file the court papers. They won&#039;t, but that&#039;s the first step. As soon as that happens, then its on the public record and the press have something they can quote without being sued.

2) Send a copy of the court papers to Noseweek, along with your email and other proof. Remember the onus is on Webmail to prove that they are entitled to the money. When Noseweek starts asking them and their lawyers for comment, they are screwed and will probably drop the case.

3) Consult a lawyer if you have to, but it is much better to do it yourself, *IF* you have the time and can stand the stress.

Lawsuits are like playing chess by postcard. There are exciting moments an a LOT of waiting while nothing happens. That&#039;s the tough part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ricky: I have been taken to court because of comments on my blog, and it isn&#8217;t much fun. BUT you can win, without ever appearing in court.</p>
<p>1) WAIT for them to file the court papers. They won&#8217;t, but that&#8217;s the first step. As soon as that happens, then its on the public record and the press have something they can quote without being sued.</p>
<p>2) Send a copy of the court papers to Noseweek, along with your email and other proof. Remember the onus is on Webmail to prove that they are entitled to the money. When Noseweek starts asking them and their lawyers for comment, they are screwed and will probably drop the case.</p>
<p>3) Consult a lawyer if you have to, but it is much better to do it yourself, *IF* you have the time and can stand the stress.</p>
<p>Lawsuits are like playing chess by postcard. There are exciting moments an a LOT of waiting while nothing happens. That&#8217;s the tough part.</p>
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